Marriage
06:31:01 PM - 2005-07-28
I know many people who are happily married, and I congratulate them on being so. As a matter of fact, one of my friends is getting married tomorrow, so I will start by congratulating him on making an honest woman out of Mary! LOL Unfortunately, the state of marriage isn't for me. This comes from a conversation I had this morning with a few of my friends in a conference room... There are two parts to a marriage: The actual relationship, and (at least in the US) a State approved "contract" between two people. One does NOT determine the validity of the other in my opinion! The actual relationship, the feelings, emotions, the unrelenting want and need to be with a specific person is there anyway. Usually before the idea of marriage comes into the picture. That is a great thing, and something that I believe most people spend a large portion of their lives looking for. Under no circumstances should anyone degrade that type of relationship if it exists outside of the context of "Holy Matrimony" because that concept is dead and gone, and has been since the laws were passed that you can not get married without the approval of the State, which definitely is not Holy! You see, in the US, no matter how much you love someone, and want to be with them, you cannot get married without first asking permission of the state in which you reside, or in the case of Nevada, the state in which you blow your retirement fund on a craps table on your honeymoon! There is no "sanctity" to me in having to go ask some town clerk somewhere if I might have permission to marry the woman of my dreams. I don't know this person, they don't know me, what in the name of all things Holy do they have to do with my marriage??? Well, I'll tell you what they have to do with it: the states need to know so they know how much of your money they are entitled to in taxes, and how much to give each aggrieved party upon dissolution of the relationship. Folks, marriage today is not anything Holy, it's a legal contract binding two people together in the eyes of the state. They make money selling you the "right" to get married, and make even more money arbitrating your "right" to get back out of it! Take my situation for example: 33, single, no kids, entrepreneur with a small and steadily growing business. Now imagine I were to get married tomorrow, my wife does nothing but sit on the couch watching soap operas, and over the next several years the business takes off and I steadily increase the style in which we are living (the American Dream right?) and give her everything she ever wanted because quite frankly I want those things too. Alright, now we have a marriage and standard of living which is based upon income from a business that she has put no work into (other than allowing me the time needed to develop it) but then things start heading south with the geese and the relationship falls apart. Time for a divorce. She is entitled, not to the business, but to half the money from the business according to the law so that she may maintain the lifestyle to which she has become accustomed to. It's called alimony, and it is a perpetual state of financial support until such time as she remarries. But why do that? Why not just "shack up" with her boytoy and have the best of all worlds? Nope, not a risk I am willing to take! Now, a couple of things: one, I do believe in and want the type of relationship that a good marriage is based upon, I just don't EVER want the government that involved in my personal life. The other thing, as women are becoming more and more successful, especially as entrepreneurs, they are being hit even harder than successful men in divorce courts. The idea to me of a marriage license is nothing more than a certificate of ownership between people, and more specifically assets aquired during the life of the contract!
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Comment posted by evajmah at 2005-07-28 19:19:12
Marriage is an institution. I promised myself and my psychiatrist that I would never be institutionalized. |
Comment posted by gweiss at 2005-07-29 01:08:06
Absolutely, wholeheartedly agree, Aaron! I'm not legally married due to the fact that I consider myself a sovereign, not a property of the State, so I have a problem with having to be approved and charged a fee to be "licensed" for betrothal.
I figure it's between us and God.~ |
Comment posted by zoe at 2005-07-29 10:31:48
i haven't done much reseach on marriage or death, but - say you get hit by a bus and haven't a will. If the gov't sees you as alone in the whole world, who gets all your stuff? OR say you've got a relative that you never want to have anything to do with again, and a not-married-spouse-by-law, who would get your stuff, when you die? Or I've heard stories where a woman gets left out of some widow benefits cuz she wasn't "legally" married. (I didn't pay much attention, cuz it didn't pertain to me...) My point being...you can get screwed over either way. Would you rather it be someone you once loved (your sig other), or someone you NEVER loved (the tax man)? or...also possible....both :S zoe |
Comment posted by acpeavy at 2005-07-29 15:52:24
hmmm, but in a will, you can leave your assets to ANYONE you choose being single, married it automatically goes to the spouse in most states eliminating that choice. I agree, in either case, it is possible to be screwed, but it is easier to protect your assets when they are not legally shared with another by license. Case in point, to achieve the same result as a marriage that is "assumed" would require very drawn out business contracts detailing all aspects of the partnership for it to be valid. No, I don't think the relationship is "business", but anything dealing with money and/or assets MUST be treated as such to keep from getting the short end of the stick, unless of course you're married, in which case everything is just assumed. You are sleeping the wife/husband so might as well entitle them to half? Yeah right, last I checked, prostitutes aren't legally entitled to half! I know I make light of it, but there are very serious implications, and not very friendly ones, when you talk about marriage and money. |
Comment posted by zoe at 2005-07-30 08:08:51
i don't know - if you are married, presumably you share everything. you live together, you eat together, you clean together, you travel together. you LIVE together. if you were divorced that would all end. losing 1/2 your money would be par for the course, since you are losing 1/2 your self anyway.... anyway, any home in which finances are such a big priority, shouldn't have 1/2 the household not raking in the green. If you are both make equal wages, then you won't be losing out. FURTHER more, if she has a very well paying job, and you divorce before you start making your fortune online, then do you deserve to be entitled to 1/2 of her money? Most importantly, however, is that anyone who is basing their marriage on inevitable divorce, shouldn't get married. ;) Where's your faith in love, aaron? :p |
Comment posted by acpeavy at 2005-07-30 18:35:30
oh faith in love is strong and intact, just that I don't figure it requires a license by the State of Massachusetts! LOL |
Comment posted by evajmah at 2005-07-31 06:36:23
Nobody can predict the future. Love alone is not enough to make a relationship or a marriage work. I thought that my last relationship would last forever. I knew the guy for nine years! If our circumstances hadn't changed, we might still be together. But life isn't stagnant. When he moved 1700 miles away to take a new job and expected me to follow him in order to continue our relationship as it was, ie not married and maintaining separate households, it made me stop and think. I knew he loved me, but was he committed to me? Could I depend on him for the rest of my life? I could take care of myself living in Texas, but I didn't have the resources to start a new life in Connecticut where the cost of living is so much higher than it is in Texas. He didn't want to talk about that. I asked him directly about moving in together, and he still skirted the issue. He would talk about making his sister and his nephew beneficiaries of his life insurance so that they would be taken care of, but what about me? I had to face the fact that he wanted a companion, not a partner. I was not going to uproot myself and move 1700 miles just so I could live down the street from my boyfriend again! Especially when I could not afford it!! Even though I had always thought of marriage as just a piece of paper, I found myself thinking that I needed that piece of paper for my own peace of mind!
Okay, it was money that got in the way of things. My ex was probably smart to not want to mix himself up in my finances. But that is what it took for me to really look at what I really wanted from a relationship. I don't want the piece of paper. I want someone that will not turn me away in times of need. I want someone that will openly discuss my feelings and his. A legal marriage isn't going to guarantee me the security and peace of mind that I want and need in a relationship.
Too many people jump into marriage thinking that it will cement the relationship. Marriage should be a celebration of a committed relationship. Commitment should come before the marriage, not after. That might mean that I will never marry. So be it. I'd rather be single and looking than married, or divorced, and miserable.
I believe in marriage. It's the marriage license that I have a problem with. |
Comment posted by PrairieMade at 2005-08-16 23:03:13
In God's eyes if you live together you are married. If you then go and live with someone else you are committing adultery. Being married by the state I would say is more for the children's sake for they need security. Nowadays too many people don't think about the children, they are the ones who pay for adults non-committment.
Aaron, you're too smart to marry someone who just sits on the couch and watches soaps. :o) I've read that if you give a relationship two years before you marry you would probably start using your head to make your decision rather than other parts of your body. :o) Also marriage takes work, it is not as the song says,'a rose garden' If a couple is giving 100% as often as they are able and they used their heads before they made the decision to get married then there is no reason for divorce.
It takes a lifetime to create a loving marriage, it only takes a second to create a lustful one. |
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